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  Today's WT study!. Watch out for the "wicked" in the cong!

  by stuckinarut2 in

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  2. bible

  how strange today's study was!.

  warning examples of apostacy, and saying to all witnesses "watch for bad associations in the cong".

  talk about paranoia and distrust amongst themselves!.

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  What's the difference between "independent thinking" and "using decernment"?

  Don't you have to think independently in order to use decernment?
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  What's "THE END" going to look like?

  by Coded Logic in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  okay, so its no secret that many of us are hoping to see the downfall of the wtbts (or at least a mass exodous of jws away from them anyway).

  i was wondering if you had any thoughts on what this might look like?.

  we all know that most every jw has their doubts, large and small, but is afraid to speak due to the illusion of unanimity and self censorship .

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  Okay, so it’s no secret that many of us are hoping to see the downfall of the WTBTS (or at least a mass exodous of JWs away from them anyway). I was wondering if you had any thoughts on what this might look like?

  We all know that most every JW has their doubts, large and small, but is afraid to speak due to The Illusion of Unanimity and Self Censorship . When the doubts finally come boiling to the surface - as JWs realize that everyone shares similar concerns about the Society as they do - will there be a volatile reaction?

  I feel like this sort of collective awareness isn’t that far off (though I might be biased by my own awakening). And I feel that once it reaches a certain tipping point there will be no stopping it. If a person's friends and family start to leave there’s not much incentive to stay.

  Anyway, I was hoping to hear some of your thoughts on this. What do you think could be a potential catalyst and in what manner do you think JWs will choose to leave? What do you think the downfall of this religion might look like? In what kind of time frame? And how will the WTBTS react?

  P.S. If you have some extensive ideas and you want to start a new thread that's cool too! Just so long as I get to read your ideas somewhere :)
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  David and Abishag

  by opusdei1972 in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  1 king david was now very old, and no matter how many blankets covered him, he could not keep warm.2 so his advisers told him, let us find a young virgin to wait on you and look after you, my lord.

  she will lie in your arms and keep you warm.

  3 so they searched throughout the land of israel for a beautiful girl, and they found abishag from shunem and brought her to the king.4 the girl was very beautiful, and she looked after the king and took care of him.

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  I'm no textual critic, but I wouldn't be surprised if that final sentence, " But the king had no sexual relations with her" was added later. It does seem a completely out of place just like some of the additions to the end of Mark do.
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  Can you help with a definition for Evolution?

  by Fernando in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  i'm trying to pin down a definition for evolution, hopefully in plain english, and some questions have come to mind:.

  is this a fool's errand?.

  has evolution itself evolved?.

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  Evolution is a Scientific Theory that explains the diverse speciation we see on our planet today. Or, more simply put, why there are so many different species of plants, animals, fungi, bacteria, protists, and archaea. Evolution has two main components - Selection (either Natural, Artificial, or Sexual) and Genetic Mutation - that cause changes in the inherited characteristics of biological populations over successive generations.

  I'm trying to pin down a definition for Evolution, hopefully in plain English, and some questions have come to mind:

  Is this a fool's errand?

  It depends on how specific you want to be. For example, gravity is a Scientific Theory. You can say something as simple as "gravity explains the attraction of two or more objects with mass." Or, you could go much deeper by explaining how gravity fits into general relitivity and quantum mechanics. It's up to you. This might shed some light on the matter:

  "Scientfic Theories describe the causal elements responsible for a particular natural phenomenon, and are used to explain and predict aspects of the physical universe or specific areas of inquiry (e.g. electricity, chemistry, astronomy). Scientists use theories as a foundation to gain further scientific knowledge, as well as to accomplish goals such as inventing technology or curing disease."

  Has Evolution itself evolved?

  If so how has the definition evolved?

  When evolution was first purposed it was known that species passed on their traits and charachteristics to their offspring. But, at the time, no one knew exactly what the mechanisim was. It wasn't until much later when DNA was discovered that we began to understand exactly how genetic mutation works. But, from its inception, both components of evolution were there.

  Is there current consensus between Evolutionists on a definition?

  There is scientfic consensus on the theory of evolution among academics in the Life Sciences (developmental and molecular biology, ecology, embryology, ontogeny, osteology, paleontology, etc).

  When you say "evolutionists" I assume you are simply refering to people who accept the theory of evolution. But this really conflates the issue because the theory of evolution is a scientific term with a precise and defenitive meaning. How the lay person chooses to describe it has no bearing on the theory at all.

  It would be like asking "do "Cellulists" have a concensus on how to define cells?" Likewise, Cell Theory is a scientfic term with a precise meaning. How people who accept the existance of cells choose to define it has nothing to do with the actual science.

  Are there different schools of thought and definitions?

  Like any theory, if you get deep enough into it, you will eventually find a small enough point where scientfic concensus finally starts to diverge. Imagine you're trying to prove to me that Ford Mustangs exist. And I ask you for a definition of a Ford Mustang. You could give me a very broad answer like "it's a car" or you could go into great detail. Now imagine I took two experts on Ford Mustangs and they got into a super in depth conversation about the vehichal. One of thme was pretty sure the screw for the exhaust manifold was a flat head and the other thought it took a diamond head.

  It's going to be at this sort of depth scientist have thier disagreements on evolution. It's a level so finite most of us would wonder why they even care in the first place.
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  All religions are false, but god is true.

  by Domenic in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i was a jw for many years.

  during those years i learned how to identify a false religion.

  all the other religions were easy to prove false.

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  I still believe in God. Looking around me. The beauty of autumn, the power of the sea and the laughter of children.

  QCF

  Umm, I'm pretty sure all those things are part of the natural world. Just like hurricanes, tornados, earthquakes, tsunamies, wildfires, landslides, meteorites, virus', parasites, etc.
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  Chile and the flag September 18

  by ILoveTTATT in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i have asked the people who are following my fb page and who live in chile to take lots of pictures and even videos if they can of the chilean flag in the kingdom halls... can't wait for when the pictures start rolling in!!.

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  Just to be fair, anyone can place a flag on the window, take the picture and remove it. I want to see it inside while they are conducting the meeting

  The 18th doesn't fall on a Sunday this year. And if a KH ministry school happens to fall on that Thursday they'll probably just move it. And it doesn't makes since that an apostate would put up the flag for the JWs. They would want them to have to pay the fine.
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  Kingdom Hall in Chile has National flag!!

  by wolfman85 in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  in the spanish website extj one forum user shows evidence that on the 18th and 19th of september in chile the government calls to honor the nation displaying the national flag everywhere.

  failure to do so is liable to a fine.

  you can see the photos here: http://www.extj.com/showthread.php?23799-celebracion-de-la-patria-y-la-doble-moral-de-los-tjs-auspiciado-por-la-watch-tower/page2.

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  Wow, I gotta say, I am genuinely shocked to see this. Guess we'll find out if they do the same thing again this year.
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  Like Button

  by Coded Logic in

  1. forum
  2. suggestions

  i read through the suggestion box and haven't seen anyone recomend this yet: is it possilbe to add a "like" button for posts and comments?

  maybe something that keeps count of them like on youtube.

  i think it would be a great tool to let people know we appreciate their comments.. i know we have the thumbs up icon we can paste in our comments but its hard to "like" someones elses comment when the thread is already 30 comments deep.. (feel free to thumbs up if this is a feature you'd like to see).

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  I read through the suggestion box and haven't seen anyone recomend this yet: Is it possilbe to add a "like" button for posts and comments? Maybe something that keeps count of them like on Youtube. I think it would be a great tool to let people know we appreciate their comments.

  I know we have the thumbs up icon we can paste in our comments but its hard to "like" someones elses comment when the thread is already 30 comments deep.

  (Feel free to thumbs up if this is a feature you'd like to see)
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  Reinstatement via Old Cong.

  by startingover13 in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i've applied to be reinstatement in a new city after attending meetings for a bit.

  i wrote my letter and they heard my case.

  they were very helpful.

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  Okay, sorry to ask the obvious question here, but why bother going through all the hassel of getting re-instated? Is it because of family or something?
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  Is the Watchtower a secret society?

  by marriedtoajw in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  does the watchtower teach that keeping secrets is ok?

  does its leadership believe that the advancement of the organization hinges on holding back truthful information from prospective members and others who are not in leadership positions?

  do you believe that the organization as a whole has a global agenda?

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  Does the Watchtower teach that keeping secrets is ok?

  They teach, "there is a time to speak and a time to keep silent." So, in a somewhat round about way, they do teach in certain circumstances it is okay.

  Does its leadership believe that the advancement of the organization hinges on holding back truthful information from prospective members and others who are not in leadership positions?

  Of Course! 607bc anyone?

  Do you believe that the organization as a whole has a global agenda?

  Well no duh! This is not a secret to anyone.

  Do you believe that the organization has a desire that world governments be abolished?

  Have you not read ANY of their liturature?

  Do you believe that the Watchtower Society has a desire to abolish national borders?

  (See previous two answers)

  Do you believe that the Socitey wishes to live in harmony with people who don't subscribe to their belief system?

  Define "harmony" . . .

  Do you believe the Watchtower Society wants peace?

  Hell no! All they talk about is war and how everyone is going to be destroyed by their vindictive God. They both worship and relish the idea of warfare.

  Do you believe the Watchtower Society wants to control the actions, thoughts and behavior of its members?

  I'm pretty sure it all ready does

  Do you believe they believe the leaders if the Society know the best way to live?

  Nope. But I do think they have some pretty good ideas on some of the worst ways to live.

  Do they teach and believe that a New World is on the way?

  You're serriously asking this?

  Do you believe that the Society imploys mind control tactics?

  Intentionally - no. Unintentionally - absolutely!

  Do you believe that the Society wouuld like traditional Christianity, especially the Catholic Church, be destroyed?

  No, I think they want to get together, hold hands, and sing freaking kumbaya. Of course they want them destroyed! Sheesh, talk about no brainer questions. Or are you asking if the Society will be destroyed? Well I suppose its possible - but I don't think it would take an act of God.

  Do you believe the Society is involved in the occult, ie spiritism, enochianism?

  I believe - that they believe - they are involved in that sort of thing when it comes to the GB.

  Do you believe there are other leadership members not known to the rank and file?

  FINALLY! A good question. In the Book CoC Franze says that the corporation had more controll then the GB for a long time. I can't say for sure, but I don't think the idea that the organization still has ties to the Free Masons is that far fetched. But I'm with holding judgment until there is better evidence.

  Do you believe the Society would leave documented evidence if the answer to any of these were yes?

  They have.

  Are the answers to any of these questions impossible to hide?

  Clearly not.

  Is the Watchtower a secret society?

  Sadly, no more so then any other large religious institution.